“Brown’s Betrayal” Highlights Principle Battle
February 23, 2010 at 4:48 pm | Posted in Political | 12 Commentsby Walter Scott Hudson
This writer first became aware of Scott Brown crossing party lines to vote for Obama’s “jobs” bill when invited to join a Facebook group called “STOP Scott Brown!” The consensus of comments on the page concluded Brown had betrayed his declared principles by voting for what is widely regarded as another stimulus bill.
AllahPundit of HotAir offers an alternative perspective:
Well, look. Obviously he needs to signal the left-leaning indies back home who voted for him that he’ll break their way sometimes. Even armed with a huge war chest for 2012, he ain’t getting reelected as a party-line Republican.
A follow-up comment from a reader expounded upon this point:
The notion that every vote has to be “NO,” even if constiuents want the bill, is the same type of thinking that I see coming from Dems. They are pushing Dems who represent much more conservative voters into backing bills that their own constituents hate.
It’s partisanship to the max, and the public doesn’t respect that. The public is OUT OF PATIENCE with excessive partisanship, people.
These are appeals to political strategy, rather than principle. It is certainly true Brown represents “left-leaning indies.” Massachusetts has not become red or even purple overnight. It is sensible to concede the premise Brown’s constituents want the “jobs” bill. This raises the question: should constituent will dictate every vote?
The American statesman ought to follow three hierarchical criteria when considering legislation. The first and most supreme is the Constitution of the United States. If the Constitution does not allow for a measure, no amount of constituent will justifies a yes-vote. This is indicative of the “rule of law” which distinguishes a republic from a democracy. The second criteria is the “general welfare,” not as broadly interpreted by progressives in either political party, but as intended by the founders. One good measure of whether a bill promotes the general welfare is whether its benefit is universal to all constituents, rather than beneficial to some at the expense of others. Any redistributive measure, such as the stimulus bills of 2008, 2009, and now 2010, do not pass muster. Only when these first two criteria have been met does constituent will become the driving force.
This idea that constituents are properly served by giving them whatever they want flies in the face of the principles fueling the conservative resurgence. If your district’s constituents overwhelmingly want your property, that does not provide sufficient legal justification for its seizure. This is true whether the property is real estate or mere tax dollars.
The public may be out of patience with excessive partisanship. But the above argument for Brown, considered along a long enough time line, actually manifests partisan politics rather than dispense with it. Brown aims to “keep the seat red” in 2012 by throwing lefties a bone. Is that not a partisan effort? Is that not a move to benefit the party, principle be damned? In truth, the only way to dispense with partisan politics is to stop viewing the game as a partisan effort. If politicians on both sides of the aisle began to base their judgments on consistent principles, which party they belonged to would matter significantly less. This is arguably the demand of the Tea Party movement, which has successfully defended its honor in recent weeks from a number of GOP suitors. The public is out of patience with excessive partisanship, especially when it is disguised as benevolent constituent service or a reach across the aisle. The people want principled leadership.
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If politicians on both sides of the aisle began to base their judgments on consistent principles, which party they belonged to would matter significantly less.
This sentence makes absolutely no sense. It seems like you are saying that Democrat or Republican if they only vote based on their principle and never concede anything then conservatives will accept and vote for liberals. “Yes, he’s an unbashed socialist, but he’s PRINCIPLED!! so I’m going to vote for him.”
In fact, my experience is directly the opposite. The more willing a person is to concede on issues, the more people are brought together. I think this is because the more you stick to your principles, the less people agree with you 100%. I’ve found that I don’t agree with other people on every principle so the fact is that the more I stick to my principles and the more the other person sticks to their principles the less and less we agree. However, if I concede on some issues and the other person concedes on issues, the more we overlap and have agreement.
Comment by Brent Metzler— February 23, 2010 #
If conceding is so wonderful and brings people together, why have a constitution? “Principles” are based on an objective document not on personal whims. That is why a socialist would not be considered principled. That person’s priciples do not fall in line with the document which provides the framework for said person’s work and decisions. You seem to consider “principles” akin to personal ideals. Therefore simply caving on your position doesn’t do justice by simply bringing people together. It degrades the system constructed to provide and protect our liberty. You don’t need to agree 100% of the time. That is why the Constitution provides limits on govt. which our politicians have gotten away from. When dealing in the realm of an established framework, there is far less need to agree with somebody’s personal preference and ideals.
Comment by justjohn— February 23, 2010 #
But the fact is that there are a multiple interpretations of what the constitution says. I don’t believe any one believes that they are defying the constitution. I’m sure that everyone believes in their heart that they are doing what is best for the country.
If you believe that unprincipled people are just people who believe the constitution has a different meaning then you do then “unprincipled” people are unlikely to vote for principled people, So I think my original premise still stands. If you believe, for example that a socialist is unprincipled they will not vote for a principled person over a principled one. I guess I’d have to say that everyone would be willing to vote for a candidate as unprincipled as they are.
Comment by Brent Metzler— February 23, 2010 #
I’m going to reply to your comment in reverse, because the last part really sticks out. What you are saying, or at least what I infer from it, is consensus is preferable to gridlock. One should not stick to their principles lest they 1) be viewed by others as intolerant, or 2) be unable to accomplish anything. I disagree. Good ideas do not emerge through compromise. They emerge through superior argument. Let he who is wrong compromise by conceding to he who is right. Sure, within the confines of the Constitution, compromise on details is necessary. But there are certain overriding principles which cannot be compromised on. You don’t negotiate with a mugger. You yield or fight.
Maybe we’re just on two different frequencies because, as my sentence made no sense to you, your summation makes no sense to me. It seems to assume a Democrat must be a socialist. What I am saying is, if people truly want to move beyond partisan politics, the way is to adopt principles of just government. In Brown’s case, he could have voted no and responded to criticism articulately from a position of principle, rather than vote yes simply to be able to say he voted yes.
Comment by Walter Scott Hudson— February 24, 2010 #
Read your second comment:
The Constitution is certainly open to some degree of interpretation. But it is not wholly subjective. There would have been no point in writing it, debating it, and ratifying it if it didn’t actually mean anything. It is incumbent upon those who would derive a meaning which is not plain to justify their position. We are not obligated to accept an interpretation because it exists. The practice of socialism, your example, is clearly prohibited by a plain reading of the Constitution. You simply could not implement it without violating individual rights.
Comment by Walter Scott Hudson— February 24, 2010 #
It’s not that I believe that a Democrat is socialist. There are many great conservative Democrats that I would vote for and support, for instance, Oberstar. I just picked a “socialist” as an example of someone who may be principled but yet you wouldn’t expect a conservative to vote for, or to vote for a conservative.
Maybe Senator Brown voted yes on the bill not just so that he could say he voted with the Democrats a bill when running for reelection, but because based on his principles he really believed that a yes vote was the right vote.
Comment by Brent Metzler— February 24, 2010 #
Sure, maybe. If so, that seems inconsistent with his campaign rhetoric. But what else is new?
Comment by Walter Scott Hudson— February 25, 2010 #
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“There are many great conservative Democrats that I would vote for and support, for instance, Oberstar.” Is this the same “conservative” Oberstar that tacked on $5 million of pork to the emergency 35W bridge reconstruction bill for bicycle paths in norhtern MN? If that’s your idea of principled conservatism then we are at an impasse.
Comment by justjohn— February 24, 2010 #
Well, now we are back at square one. The statement was If politicians on both sides of the aisle began to base their judgments on consistent principles, which party they belonged to would matter significantly less. The premise was supposed ot be if not just conservatives, but liberals, voted based on their principles then political parties would have less significance. I tried to make the point that people on both sides aren’t going to come together based on principles, instead it would seem to drive them further apart politically. Parties would matter less if we were willing to find compromises with both sides.
Your answer seems to be, well, if everyone was conservative just like me….
Comment by Brent Metzler— February 24, 2010 #
Okay, I see what you’re driving at now, and it’s a legitimate point. I did not adequately convey my meaning. What I meant, and failed to specify, was that if politicians worked within the confines of the Constitution (therefore constrained by principle), party-affiliation would matter less. I assumed that was clear from my previous paragraph where I gave the criteria legislators should use, but should have phrased it better.
Our political arguments have gotten so far outside the box of what we should be talking about, there is no room for compromise. For instance, a principled constitutionalist could never compromise on Obama’s healthcare plan. There is virtually nothing in it which is constitutional. So it creates this partisan situation where one party is “the party of ‘no’.” Well, yeah. We have to be, because the other party is talking about doing things government has no authority to do. If they want debate, if they want compromise, they need to reign the options back into the envelope of possibility.
Comment by Walter Scott Hudson— February 25, 2010 #
My premise is not for all people to be conservative such as myself. Here in lies the difference in our positions. You wrote,” The premise was supposed ot be if not just conservatives, but liberals, voted based on their principles then political parties would have less significance.” Politicians should not be acting on THEIR principles. That is the job of the Constitution. It provides the framework of principles to work within. Politicians are sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution, not interpret, bend, or destroy it. If a person’s own principles do not align with the framework of the Constitution, then they have no business executing the duties of the office they seek. Which I suppose leads back to another of our differences. You apparently believe the Constitution is merely a list of suggestions open to interpretations, whereas I do not. If the founders intended it to be changes with passing political fashions, then why write it to begin with. A sentiment I believe Walter has also stated here.
Comment by justjohn— February 25, 2010 #